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		<title>By: Goodnight, Jack: On &#8216;outing&#8217; bloggers &#171; The Bleeding Heart Show</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-12839</link>
		<dc:creator>Goodnight, Jack: On &#8216;outing&#8217; bloggers &#171; The Bleeding Heart Show</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 21:34:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] found myself nestled alongside him and 10 other fine writers on the longlist. We had a few online interactions since and he always struck me as forthright, gracious &amp; fair. When he was awarded the prize for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] found myself nestled alongside him and 10 other fine writers on the longlist. We had a few online interactions since and he always struck me as forthright, gracious &amp; fair. When he was awarded the prize for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9752</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Neil, no problem. Since I&#039;ve got a bit of a vested interest in FRED, which I&#039;m sure you guessed, I&#039;d be really interested to hear your thoughts. 

I&#039;ve been keeping a not-too-rigorous track of a few individuals&#039; stories appearing in the press recently - http://delicious.com/UKpoverty/casestudy for an idea of how people on low incomes have been portrayed over the last few months...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Neil, no problem. Since I&#8217;ve got a bit of a vested interest in FRED, which I&#8217;m sure you guessed, I&#8217;d be really interested to hear your thoughts. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been keeping a not-too-rigorous track of a few individuals&#8217; stories appearing in the press recently &#8211; <a href="http://delicious.com/UKpoverty/casestudy" rel="nofollow">http://delicious.com/UKpoverty/casestudy</a> for an idea of how people on low incomes have been portrayed over the last few months&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: The Merovingian</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9750</link>
		<dc:creator>The Merovingian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 23:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is all good stuff!, I don&#039;t think the left will get in until we have a political party around which left thinking people can rally. I&#039;m already thinking on setting up a framework for this, and a set of basic manifesto pledges. Though It&#039;ll be after the next election before things will really kick of for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is all good stuff!, I don&#8217;t think the left will get in until we have a political party around which left thinking people can rally. I&#8217;m already thinking on setting up a framework for this, and a set of basic manifesto pledges. Though It&#8217;ll be after the next election before things will really kick of for us.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9734</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will,

Thanks for the comment, and for reminding me about that report on FREDS. I think I was on holiday when it came out, otherwise I would&#039;ve written something about it. Perhaps I&#039;ll get the chance when the bank holiday rolls around. Also, thanks for sharing that link about the effect of media portrayals of poverty on public policy; it really adds more weight to the point I was trying to make at the end of the post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will,</p>
<p>Thanks for the comment, and for reminding me about that report on FREDS. I think I was on holiday when it came out, otherwise I would&#8217;ve written something about it. Perhaps I&#8217;ll get the chance when the bank holiday rolls around. Also, thanks for sharing that link about the effect of media portrayals of poverty on public policy; it really adds more weight to the point I was trying to make at the end of the post.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9728</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 16:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree that the media portrayal of poor people is selective and discriminatory. And the effect isn&#039;t just to stigmatise people, it can also &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oxfam.org.uk/applications/blogs/ukpp/2009/02/anti_poor_predjudice_in_the_pr.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;influence public policy&lt;/a&gt; in a negative way, creating a bit of a vicious cycle. 

Oxfam have recently published a report that talks about FREDs - people who are Forgotten, Ripped-off, Excluded, and Debt-ridden. It&#039;s partly trying to challenge the prevailing perception that people are poor because of individual failings, rather than structural pressures. I&#039;m not sure it does it perfectly, but it&#039;s a start. 

Finally, one contributory reason that press coverage is so biased could be that, in general, people on low incomes don&#039;t want to appear on TV talking about being poor. In the last few months this has started to change, with people talking about the terrible impact of losing their jobs. The danger is that this creates a divide, between the &#039;deserving&#039; poor who have lost their job, and the &#039;undeserving&#039; ones who were already struggling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree that the media portrayal of poor people is selective and discriminatory. And the effect isn&#8217;t just to stigmatise people, it can also <a href="http://www.oxfam.org.uk/applications/blogs/ukpp/2009/02/anti_poor_predjudice_in_the_pr.html" rel="nofollow">influence public policy</a> in a negative way, creating a bit of a vicious cycle. </p>
<p>Oxfam have recently published a report that talks about FREDs &#8211; people who are Forgotten, Ripped-off, Excluded, and Debt-ridden. It&#8217;s partly trying to challenge the prevailing perception that people are poor because of individual failings, rather than structural pressures. I&#8217;m not sure it does it perfectly, but it&#8217;s a start. </p>
<p>Finally, one contributory reason that press coverage is so biased could be that, in general, people on low incomes don&#8217;t want to appear on TV talking about being poor. In the last few months this has started to change, with people talking about the terrible impact of losing their jobs. The danger is that this creates a divide, between the &#8216;deserving&#8217; poor who have lost their job, and the &#8216;undeserving&#8217; ones who were already struggling.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9670</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Most commentators seem to be pretty fair on me. Very little straw man argument and mild ad-hominem at worst.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m glad about that. Your writings might be political but they&#039;re not partisan and should be treated with the spirit in which they&#039;re written; in good faith and from first hand experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Most commentators seem to be pretty fair on me. Very little straw man argument and mild ad-hominem at worst.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m glad about that. Your writings might be political but they&#8217;re not partisan and should be treated with the spirit in which they&#8217;re written; in good faith and from first hand experience.</p>
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		<title>By: nightjack</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9668</link>
		<dc:creator>nightjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil,
What can I say. It&#039;s a slow night here at home. Nothing on TV and I so I am sadly and rather obsessively watching the links to the blog come in and commenting rather freely. This is the day when many of the websites &quot;of the left&quot; for want of a better phrase are kicking around the phrase &quot;Evil Poor&quot; and I am getting a lot of links in posts. I am trying to get round them all and comment. I said it so I should at least try and stand it up. Most commentators seem to be pretty fair on me. Very little straw man argument and mild ad-hominem at worst.  

I absolutely agree that the left does need to plan to govern again because they will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil,<br />
What can I say. It&#8217;s a slow night here at home. Nothing on TV and I so I am sadly and rather obsessively watching the links to the blog come in and commenting rather freely. This is the day when many of the websites &#8220;of the left&#8221; for want of a better phrase are kicking around the phrase &#8220;Evil Poor&#8221; and I am getting a lot of links in posts. I am trying to get round them all and comment. I said it so I should at least try and stand it up. Most commentators seem to be pretty fair on me. Very little straw man argument and mild ad-hominem at worst.  </p>
<p>I absolutely agree that the left does need to plan to govern again because they will.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9666</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Crikey, that was quick! Do you have a rapid response operation running, or something?!

I&#039;d agree with much of that. My nan passed away a few years ago, but in her last few years she stopped going to church functions because she was too intimidated. This was a tough woman, and someone who knew the streets she was walking like the back of her hand, but she still didn&#039;t feel like she could do it. It&#039;s fine pointing to falling local or national crime figures, but the decision about whether you attend a whist drive or a bridge evening is never made with those things in mind, and nor should it.

As for your point about communities; I hope, when the discussion comes around about how the left might be able to govern again, we talk about how communities can be empowered to devise their own solutions to problems. I look around my own area at neighbourhood regeneration projects, and the really successful ones have always been in those places with a strong shared purpose &amp; identity.

Congratulations on the award, by the way. I was particularly pleased that it went to a fellow &#039;amateur&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crikey, that was quick! Do you have a rapid response operation running, or something?!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d agree with much of that. My nan passed away a few years ago, but in her last few years she stopped going to church functions because she was too intimidated. This was a tough woman, and someone who knew the streets she was walking like the back of her hand, but she still didn&#8217;t feel like she could do it. It&#8217;s fine pointing to falling local or national crime figures, but the decision about whether you attend a whist drive or a bridge evening is never made with those things in mind, and nor should it.</p>
<p>As for your point about communities; I hope, when the discussion comes around about how the left might be able to govern again, we talk about how communities can be empowered to devise their own solutions to problems. I look around my own area at neighbourhood regeneration projects, and the really successful ones have always been in those places with a strong shared purpose &amp; identity.</p>
<p>Congratulations on the award, by the way. I was particularly pleased that it went to a fellow &#8216;amateur&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: nightjack</title>
		<link>http://bleedingheartshow.wordpress.com/2009/04/26/the-visible-poor/#comment-9663</link>
		<dc:creator>nightjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 20:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their actions blight the lives of the very communities that they live in. As I have said elsewhere, most social housing is designed and run in the hope of creating a community. Some people just see it as a pool of victims. There is some hope of turning things round when a local resident (invariably female) organises a resistance that cuts through the fear, oppression and demoralisation. The solution to the blighted estates problem never comes from the Police, Council or Social Services. If it comes from anywhere, it comes from the residents. It doesn&#039;t come often enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their actions blight the lives of the very communities that they live in. As I have said elsewhere, most social housing is designed and run in the hope of creating a community. Some people just see it as a pool of victims. There is some hope of turning things round when a local resident (invariably female) organises a resistance that cuts through the fear, oppression and demoralisation. The solution to the blighted estates problem never comes from the Police, Council or Social Services. If it comes from anywhere, it comes from the residents. It doesn&#8217;t come often enough.</p>
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